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YEHUDA : Yes! Now let’s move on to the perverted construct. Here, depression is connected to the loss of pleasure. If, for some organic reason, they can’t sustain the pleasure for which they live – because the pervert lives under the banner, “I take pleasure, therefore I am” – if they cannot take pleasure, they will get depressed, which is, more or less, the only way they’d ever come into treatment, because they have no other reason.

 ESTHER : Can we talk about a post-perverted state?

 YEHUDA : The personality structure does not change. Concerning the pervert, this is the state of one who still has a perverse personality structure but can no longer perform the perverted act. The depression of the perverted stems from the fact that jouissance is no longer available for different reasons of choice or coercion, chemical castration or old age. All sorts of reasons.

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